The exact time is probably 40,000 to 60,000 years ago, but it’s been put at 27,000 to 135,000 from the genetic evidence. I’m happy to agree that the K gene probably occured at or about the same time as domestication. Coyotes of high elevations have fur that is darker, thicker and longer; the under parts are nearly white, with some specimens having a white tip on the tail. It’s not that we could ever tell if any moving coyote had a white-tipped tail or not, … )–THAT is certainly inaccurate–they may not be as common as in North America(just as black Red Foxes are more common in North America than in Europe–but it has nothing to do with breeding with dogs), but they do occur–I’m reading a book about hunting in Russia right now, written in the 1800’s, that mentions black wolves in Siberia, and I have read other accounts of black wolves in Europe and Asia, especially in The Himalaya mountain region. They got theirs from dogs, too. Just the one black color? with interbreeding with wolves that inherited that gene from dogs, Subscribe to Retrieverman's Weblog by Email, one person followed me and one person unfollowed me // automatically checked by, 3 people followed me // automatically checked by, one person followed me // automatically checked by. Coyote tracks can be distinguished from those of dogs by their more elongated, less rounded shape. Let’s get an easy comparison out of the way. Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. Anybody know who where I can sell fur near Saranac Lake NY, Hey guys, i am searching for dressed raccoon skins- anyone knows a dealer/seller. I am looking for some help in how to "cure" or properly preserve a coyote tail to hang on a plaque. Hi there, does anybody know where to upload from such printable template to stretch and dry a beaver fur ? Another blatantly said, and I quote,”biologists are UNSURE(emphasis mine) whether black wolves hybridized with dogs” to get the black color, and that they discovered NO RECENT EVIDENCE that this wolf population hybridized with dogs. Camp wolves don’t appear a morphologically distinct in the fossil record, except for the Goyet cave dog: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27240370/ns/technology_and_science-science/, http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/biologists-solve-mystery-about-80301.aspx. The heat of his claw turned Coyote’s tail white. What was once there may be somewhere else now. Coyotes have a tail with a black tip on the end. My last season experience pushed me to make such modification. I think it’s very unlikely that this gene originated in the wild. IMO. Just doesn’t make sense, and is too “Coppingeresque” to me, which means that such a theory is made, and then everything else that doesn’t fit it is swept under the rug and ignored or denied to try and push it across(like the blunt and incorrect statement that there are NO black wolves in Europe and Asia). Gray- colored fox is a fantastic animal that belongs to a different genus or group in the animal family tree and displays some unusual traits. https://retrieverman.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/camp-wolves/. It’s pretty clear that there have always been gene flows between wild and domestic Canis lupus. obviously was all over dec website first then internet . There is a chance there could have been black wolves in the population before the dog hybridization happened, but all modern black wolves have been traced to a mutation that happened in dogs, perhaps as early as 50,000 years ago, which would have been during the Camp Wolf stage of their domestication. No other color varieties, or conformation differences, etc.? 20-Aug-12. Since dogs came from wolves anyway, where did THEY get black from, if it was not a genetic mutation possibility in wolves in the first place? It’s way too early yet to be so sure….. A long tail as long as the body with a white tip Gray Fox vs Coyote: The gray fox is scientifically known as Urocyon Cinereoargenteus. I'm sure it will last for several more years. It’s easier to believe a black wolf folded into dogs, the coloring preserved because either people liked it (as with merle) or because in the K gene, it provides a benefit in terms of the immune system. A-ha Coyote I’ve got you! It fills in whatever gaps exist. The gene is the same in dogs, wolves, and coyotes, and it’s been found to be older in dogs than in wolves and coyotes. The images aren’t great, but they do illustrate the obvious size difference. I’d rather argue with Kent Hovind’s followers. )–the first evidence of the mutation 45,000 years ago? Favourite Add to Gray Frost Faux Fur Animal Cosplay Tail, Grey Anime Convention Rave Costume Gear Furry Fuzzy Accessory BiannaCreations. The only thing that set a coyote apart from all others was not age, weight or sex but we noticed that very few had prominent white-tipped tails. And these scientists make mistakes–which is why I mentioned the very different Red Wolf genetic study results–they can’t ALL be correct! This coyote has a white tail tip, usually from a higher elevation Done I believe it’s the Nile subspecies that doesn’t have a white tail tip as a rule and some of the south Asian subspecies do, too. And DNA “time lines” have been proven to be inconsistant with the known fossil record (in birds among other animals. Although it is shorter, it has a more solid build than a red or grey fox and a very dog-like face. Keep in mind that they initially asserted that Neanderthal and H. Sapiens did NOT interbreed. But then so are DNA and genetic studies’ results! 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