Here's a fix that can work to raise the floor level so that the toilet sits perfectly level and doesn't bottom out on the floor flange. 8 Stuff a rag in drainpipe to block sewer gases. A toilet flange is a device that joins your toilet bowl into the septic tank pipe. Place wood shims as required to get the toilet level. The flange is bolted to the floor in order to secure the toilet bowl. Before installing toilet (still have not done) I placed it over flange to see how things are. I'm using the oately XL ring. Then remove the plywood form and set the toilet on the raised mortar bed. 9 If necessary, use hammer and cold chisel to chip away tile to expose the closet flange. the moment of truth: Using the Tapcon drill bit, I drilled four holes down into the concrete to line up with the holes on the flange. 2-I can use shims + caulk around which held for last 5 years but I had to remove the toilet to retile the floor. Im not "sure" if the horn went into the pipe, however I am assuming it has is there is about 1 cm space between the toilet and the tile floor. Is the flange too high? Sold as blister pack of four sizes: 1/8 inch, 1/4 inch, 1/2 inch and 3/4 inch height. posted by H21 at 2:26 PM on December 7 1. This can be a very serious issue since it can cause some sewer gases to leak around the bathroom. . Floor is PERFECTLY level in every direction I put my level. Extender makes flange about 1/8" higher than floor. I have tried 3 times now. Toilet flange above floor level [ 56 Answers ] I've seen plenty about the opposite problem - maybe this is something less common: my toilet flange is above the anticipated floor level. I then look at the toilet (again, a Mansfield) and realize that the toilet horn is so far up inside the body of the bowl there’s really no way to connect this toilet to the toilet flange with a standard sized wax ring unless the flange is above the tile floor, which wouldn’t make a lot of sense to me – long-term anyway. The under layment was mud bed which I removed too. We did not put the spacer in. I was able to make the flange solid, but the toilet rocked because the floor was not flat. I recently removed old tile from the bathroom floor, planning to install new tile. Apply a generous bead of 100% silicone caulk on top of the old closet flange. Leveling a toilet takes just minutes with … An improperly fitted toilet is often caused by the flange not sitting on the finished floor but rather, sitting above it, or it is not level with the floor. Laid on the toilet flange to elevate the stool flange to or just above the floor grade. Some wax rings come with an attached polyethylene or rubber piece that extends into the opening of a toilet flange. Thanks – Andrew Jun 7 '13 at 19:34 I installed the new sub-floor underneath the flange of the existing cast iron closet flange. ... Use a level to make sure the repair flange is level, then screw it into the floor. I recently removed old tile from the bathroom floor, planning to install new tile. It’s simple, the watertight seal between the toilet bowl and wax ring will eventually fail. How high can a flange be above the finished floor? Added 1/4" extender to flange to compensate for floor height. I've actually done this procedure so I know it works. Floor flange was set to be about 1 cm off the tile floor. It seems that the consensus is to use a silicon caulk to secure the toilet after shimming, not grout. In so doing, I discovered that the old tile was set on about 3 inches of thinset/mortar - which had effectively built up the floor 3 inches. 3. 5. Why? For flanges that are a little low, thicker wax rings will adequately fill any minimal extra space. If you’re in luck the closet flange extender will be level, but if it’s not…you’ll have to shim your toilet when you install it. Most times the flooring guys have put in a new tile floor without having a plumber re-rough the flange to proper height. I vacuumed out the holes to get rid of the resulting concrete dust. This is not only annoying, but it can make the flushing action of the toilet less efficient. I grouted the tile, then . It has a forward tilt of about 5deg to it and it's in a poured concrete floor. I shimmed the toilet so it did not rock (caulk the shims so they don't shift), then caulked around the base. Toilet installations sometimes get undesirable results when not properly set up. 6 Lift up the toilet and set it on newspaper or cardboard. The neck of the flange should slide into the pipe snugly. Toilets just bolt on top of the flange (a pipe fitting which connects the toilet drain to a drain pipe - see picture) that is designed to connect it to the main drain. Purchase a toilet flange extension ring thick enough to raise the toilet mounting surface so that it's approximately 1/4-inch above the level of the finished tile floor. Toilet is NOT level but floor is! I've seen plenty about the opposite problem - maybe this is something less common: my toilet flange is above the anticipated floor level. Tape these shims tightly to the finished floor so they don’t move when you lift the toilet back up. . The other thing to look for is the depth of the existing flange. They come in various materials such as PVC or cast iron. There is no gap between the bottom of the flange of the closet flange and the top of the sub-floor, it fits nice, snug and tight. Many times an uneven floor and uneven setting of the toilet leads to rocking which then leads to a broken flange. If your toilet seems to move when you sit on it and there's no apparent damage to the floor, or if it just feels crooked, chances are it's out of level. I put new tile down in this bathroom and the floor level has changed. Measure the distance from the top of the toilet flange to the top of the finished tile floor. Had an old 4 bolt toilet. Maybe 1/4, but thats pushing it. However, the toilet is not sitting level in pipe. Is the flange too low? Ive secured the toilet flange to the subfloor and after setting the tiles, there is now a 1/8th gap between flange and finished floor. 2. As explained above, the lip of the toilet flange should sit flush on the floor all the way around. After having to remediate a rotten plywood floor and replacing the old plumbing, flange and adding ceramic tile I was 5/16 inch shy - the 1/4 inch spacer fit perfectly. Built around 1970. Installed new tile floor. BTW, this is a kohler cimarron, so not a cheap toilet. 1-I can have a tilted toilet which is quite noticable. See how it works out for a while, you can always try again later on if it starts to loosen up. Help, our floor is level, we redid the plumbing and re-positioned the toilet. It will just touch at best. Place the carpenters level across the toilet bowl side to side and note where the bubble level is. Steve used an Oatey 4″ replacement toilet flange for cast iron pipes. Everything reads level. Put the toilet on the flange and level the bowl both left and right and front to back. The object is to make a plywood form and fill the center with mortar. The problem is when the ring is placed on the toilet, it only extends 1/4" beyond the base of the toilet. we ripped up the old sub-floor and put a new one in. I worried if I miss with this too much the wax ring seal will break. I talked to the builder, and they say itll be fine because the wax ring will account for the flange that will inevitably not sit flat on the floor. Im 80% completed my bathroom reno. Booted wax rings should not be used with toilet flanges that are high enough to prevent the toilet from sitting level on the floor. Re: Toilet Flange and an uneven tile floor; Author: 9646 (TN) The gap between the toilet base when it is level and the lowest part of the uneven tile floor is a little less than 1/4 of an inch. Ideally, your supposed to remove the toilet to retile the floor, then place the toilet ON TOP of the new tile, with it sitting flush on the floor. 10 Slip a repair plate under damage section of closet flange. It does not take a full shim to level it. It is proud of the floor by about 3/8" on one side and recessed on the opposite side for a total of about 1/2" out of level over the width of the flange. Check for rotten or damaged flooring. Or at that gap space will i need to double up on wax rings? 7 Scrape away the old wax ring with a putty knife. I applied ABS cement to the inside of the cemented ABS piece and to the outside of the flange. It's been good so far. Sounds like the wrong flange was used, or and improper intallation on the wax ring, or wrong size wax ring. With the flange is a gasket used to ensure that you will not have a leaky toilet. That is NOW being replaced because the HO was demo the old floor and got too close to the toilet before I removed it. Leaking toilet flanges can cause a variety of damage. I removed old tile. If the toilet flange sits below the finished floor, the toilet will leak. If adding washers or shims fixed the problem, the only thing left to do is to caulk the toilet the the floor. There is always a chance a toilet may leak around or at the base at any time. Every time I pull the toilet the wax ring looks like it made good contact but maybe i'm wrong. Hammer a shim gently between the floor and the toilet base to bring a low side up. Place the wax gasket on the toilet flange. It appears to be sitting up too high on the pipe. The short answer is, the tile should extend close enough to the edge of the closet flange to be covered by the rim of the toilet. If the pvc flange was installed not level 25 years ago, what are my options? It is off by 1/2 up all the way around the toilet. This is the same distance between the floor and flange, so it will never seal properly. The toilet itself is about half a century old, and has FOUR holes for securing it, two where flange bolts usually are, and two up towards the front that bolt into the floor. Caulk the toilet to the floor if the problem is fixed. Can a single thick wax ring be sufficent enough to prevent leaks? 1. i have put my 175lbs of weight on the toilet to smash the wax ring. This in turn causes the toilet to sit unevenly. 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